The Untold Stories: Frontline Whistleblowers Reveal The Real COVID Experience

Robby Starbuck 0:01
Do you ever feel like the whole world has gone insane? Yeah, you're not alone. I feel that way. In fact, the majority of people feel that way. The truth is, we were all sold this great lie, that being part of a silent majority was something we should be proud of being a silent majority, a lot, a very loud, angry group of people that control everything. And problem there is that small group of people, they're communists. I say that myself, as someone who's the son of a Cuban refugee, who had to flee communism, I know the reality of how important the American dream is, I know how quickly we can lose freedom. And that's why this is our last stand. I'm your host, Robby Starbuck. And I'm going to be diving deep on the issues and people that matter, so that together, we can save the American dream. And once again, become a loud majority, that steers the direction of this country. If you're with me, and you want to spread truth and wake up the masses, you're in the right place together one piece of truth at a time, we can save America.

Robby Starbuck 1:05
The Collection of Interviews you're about to see includes anonymous people. And I want to explain why that is. Many of these people were afraid for their jobs, their livelihoods, and their ability to operate in the future without losing their licenses. In order to quell that fear and get the truth. I granted anonymity. But I did vet that they are in fact doctors are in fact, nurses. And that vetting process was thorough, and ensure that nobody was able to slip through who was not who they say they are, and not in the job. They say they have. So I was able to ensure that all of these people have the careers you're about to hear about. And they're giving you the insight without the filter of worrying about what could happen to them in their career in their community or anything along those lines. So I think you're getting the raw, unfiltered truth from these people. As a byproduct of us granting that anonymity. I hope that you find these interviews as enlightening as I did. With me. Now we've got Mario Washburn, she worked as an EMT in Rhode Island and saw the realities of what played out during COVID. So I wanted to bring her on today to talk about what she saw what she experienced and how this touched her own life. So thanks for joining us today.

Unknown Speaker 2:15
Thank you for having me.

Robby Starbuck 2:17
So I'm gonna dive right in. As an EMT, you guys often see the very first sort of raw, honest picture of what's going on with patience. When COVID started, when did he know something was wrong? When When did he know something was different?

Unknown Speaker 2:31
Right. So first, initially, there was kind of a hysteria, we were all as afraid as anyone else. And what we saw, first were the people who are already very sick, getting much sicker, and people that were generally healthy, having sort of a cold, man. So pretty quickly, we realized that the reality wasn't what we're being told on the news.

Robby Starbuck 2:56
And so you know, one question I know is is especially on the mind of viewers is once people began to get vaccinated for COVID, did you see any change in terms of side effects? Or who was getting sick and things along those lines when you looked at vaccinated versus unvaccinated? Well, what did you see what was your your experience,

Unknown Speaker 3:16
the scale tip of that? We saw a little bit less calls for COVID, and almost even calls for COVID vaccine reactions, which were fairly similar to the symptoms of COVID.

Robby Starbuck 3:30
So you were seeing just about 5050 COVID vaccine reactions or side effects, and COVID, it was pretty much equally in terms of what you were getting called out for,

Unknown Speaker 3:41
perhaps not initially. But as the vaccine got more prevalent, it about evened out.

Robby Starbuck 3:47
And so when you look at that the types of calls you were getting for vaccine side effects, what did they look like? Were these cardiac events? Were they what were they? What did it look like? Generally,

Unknown Speaker 3:57
I would say the majority were not the majority were those week after kind of side effects of fever and chills. And those symptoms that were much like COVID, I would say that symptoms of chest pain are something that might lead you to think myocarditis were few and far between for us, they weren't. It's every vaccine reaction.

Robby Starbuck 4:19
That's interesting. This ended up touching your own life, you chose not to get vaccinated. And in that choice, you ended up facing discrimination from your own department. And you've shared with with us three letters and in these letters, you know, I'll let you explain them. But it sort of progressively gets worse in terms of, you know, the threat to your job, and then the suspension and then afterwards, basically, hey, we're going to get your license pooled and we're going to report you to the Health Department. Is that an accurate portrayal of these these three letters?

Unknown Speaker 4:55
Yes, what some interesting facts were that the report notes that they made to the health department or that we were working unvaccinated when we were not, in fact working, we had already been suspended. And the health department did not, in fact, pull our licenses, but they still move to fire us.

Robby Starbuck 5:13
So they didn't end up pulling your licenses. And now you're you're in disputes, try to get your job back. I'm assuming you loved your job, correct? I did. And you were doing this for almost 10 years, right as an EMT? Yes. How did you see your workplace change as a result of COVID? And the vaccine? What were things different around there? Did you face any sort of discrimination in the workplace in terms of how people treated you?

Unknown Speaker 5:39
I wouldn't say that I felt that no, we were sort of all subjected to wear masks within the station. And all of the all of the COVID guidelines that were put out at the time, I would say that the majority of people in the workplace were of the same minds. But not everybody was able to hold out and risk getting fired.

Robby Starbuck 6:01
That's something I hear a lot is that the vast majority of people agree with the people who did end up holding out but that they personally felt they couldn't take the risk of losing their job. What percentage would you put on that how many the people just ballpark guests agreed with you within the workplace, but ended up just not being able to hold the line because they couldn't risk their job.

Unknown Speaker 6:24
We had about 100 people that swore up and down that they weren't going to get it, that they didn't believe in it, and that they wouldn't, and five of us in the ends got fired.

Robby Starbuck 6:37
That's incredible. And out of how many people you know, roughly, are, are in employment in that department.

Unknown Speaker 6:43
We have about 400, guys.

Robby Starbuck 6:45
And so about about a quarter of them had said absolutely not, we won't do it and ended up doing it. Let me ask you this, because this this comes up in every interview that I've done, people talk about the fact that there's a large number of folks using fake vaccine cards. Why didn't you use a fake vaccine card the way so many other people did?

Unknown Speaker 7:08
I think that there were a lot of easy outs, there were ways to get medical exemptions, it didn't try for a religious exemption, I just, I don't believe that they should be able to push us around like this, I think that we should have autonomy, I believe strongly that our health is our, our right and our responsibility to take care of. And I don't think that anybody should be able to push an experiment on us. Well, I

Robby Starbuck 7:33
think you're incredibly brave for doing that. And for standing up, you know, one of the things I've criticized and you, you can feel free to disagree with me, if you disagree, I've criticized men in this process. I feel like not enough men have stood up and taking the risks that we really should be leading on. And that's not to say that women shouldn't be leading on it. It's really just that men biologically, I have a real problem with the fact that they're not standing up and being the leaders that I believe they were made to inherently be and to be strong, and to be the people who stand up for the vulnerable. And I don't think a lot of men have done that. I think that, you know, largely, I've seen women standing up in these fights, the vast majority of the interviews I'm doing in the medical industry, are women. And the vast majority of men who have reached out again, are doctors or even nurses who say that they're afraid to go on camera, but the women are, have you experienced this? Yeah, I have. I have, indeed, their problem there.

Unknown Speaker 8:33
I do.

Robby Starbuck 8:35
What do you think's at the root of it, what's at the root of why men aren't standing up, so I don't understand what more it's going to take to get men to stand up.

Unknown Speaker 8:44
Maybe it's a biological thing, a concern that they won't be able to provide, whereas women are more fiercely defending their children or their future children.

Robby Starbuck 8:56
I mean, maybe, you know, part of me feels like, the more we submit, the more likely it becomes that we all lose our livelihoods. Because eventually you submit to such a degree that you're really just owned by the state. And once you're owned by the state, you have no wiggle room. And you know, even just thinking unpopular thoughts will eventually become a thought crime in itself. I mean, they're already doing a lot of these big tech companies, a lot of research into actually being able to track people's memories and their thoughts. And it's not a foregone conclusion that we're not going to end up in a place where that's going to become a mandate in itself. Because once you accept one mandate, you're unable to really like set a line and a boundary and say, Well, I'm not willing to accept this mandate, because once you accept the authority, have a mandate that your government has the right to just force inject you at any point. What can they not inject you with? And that's kind of been a question I had to some, you know, very pro vaccine mandate. People was is is where's the line? What can they not inject into you? And I have you At to receive any sort of answer when it comes to that. But on the male point, you know, I really hope that there's an awakening among men to stand up the way that you have, because you're being a leader and a fighter in taking this stand. And I think that more people have to do it. I've got to ask you this question, is there any sort of organized organization organized, you know, sort of push with other people who are experiencing the same thing, have you been able to become part of any kind of group to support each other and help push toward a future where you're free to make your own decision

Unknown Speaker 10:32
within our department, we've, we've come together as a small group, the five of us, and we just sort of hash out ideas. And we consulted a lawyer together. And we're just kind of sticking together, I would say, via social media and sharing ideas there. It's been cool to see how communities develop and find like minded people, but I haven't formally come together with any group.

Robby Starbuck 10:59
Well, this is why you know, a lot of the people in global power hate social media and hate the internet, because it really has provided an outlet for people to form communities. And to find out, they're not alone. And to realize that, wow, a lot of people actually think exactly the way I do. And I'm not crazy, as much as the state or the mainstream media, try to gaslight me, there's a whole group of people and researchers and scientists and doctors and nurses and EMTs, who stand alongside me, who believe that this is a problem, and that the state has really gone far beyond any authority that they think they have. And so, you know, I think that that's one of the more incredible things that has happened throughout COVID is the ability for all of us to form these relationships online. Because sometimes now, you know, I hear from people, so many people, they feel like they have better friends online than they do in real life. And, and that's sort of a dangerous thing. But also, during COVID really saved a lot of people, you know, it saved a lot of people from a really dark place. I'm not sure it's the healthiest thing for the future. But I do think that, you know, the connections we make online are important for just getting the truth out there. And I think that's, that's really the most valuable thing about it. So I'm glad that you know, the internet's been there in some some way some shape or form to let you know, you're not alone. And that, you know, this is happening in so many places. And I think that's, that's one of the things I've been experiencing over the past two weeks, as I've gotten so many emails from people telling their Vaccine Injury story, or their story of how you know, mandates affected their life or their job. And realizing how many of them felt like they were alone entail, they were able to form communities online, or become a part of, you know, a movement online that that really opened up their eyes to how many people were affected the same way they were. And it gives people strength, it gives them power, it gives them the inspiration, they need to move forward. So I'm happy about that. Thank you, internet. But what's the next step look like for you in terms of accountability for the people who did this and you know, really getting compensated for what you went through? Because here's the thing, I read one of those letters, and it honestly reads like a communist threat where they say, if you don't get vaccinated, we're going to send your status to the health department and get your license revoked. While they didn't end up actually revoking your license, the fact that the government, you know, somebody who's using taxpayer dollars, could could even consider that sort of thing is shocking.

Unknown Speaker 13:34
I think that it's really amazing that they created that paper trail for themselves, because looking back now, it looks almost incriminating. And the fact that they went

Robby Starbuck 13:44
look almost incriminating, it looks very incriminating.

Unknown Speaker 13:48
And the fact that they went to my licensing agency and lied to them feels slanderous to me. And now looking at it on paper and seeing you told me, we're going to do this. That's crazy. It's really

Robby Starbuck 14:00
jaw dropping, honestly, we're going to have it up here so people can see it. But it's it's unbelievable. I mean, I would say it's unbelievable, but it's not unbelievable. anymore. It would have been unbelievable five years ago, it's not unbelievable. Now, and that's, you know, I think one of the really sad things about what we've all been through is that if you went back five years ago, and you told your average person, no matter what their political affiliation was, that, hey, the government is going to try to force a mask on your face, force a needle in your arm with something that you may or may not understand or may or may not know what's in it, you may or may not know what the side effects you're going to be in 15 years, and they're going to force you to be fired from your jobs and rip away your livelihoods. If you don't allow them to do this. People would have said, that's crazy. There's absolutely no way that that's going to happen or that we would accept that happening. And yet, here we are. And so I always try to encourage people to make some sort of change in their life and my encouragement for people is watching brave people. Like, like yourself, set boundaries, set boundaries, people, you know, Marielle had her boundary, she stood there and she held the line and she said, I'm not crossing this, this boundary, I'm not going to allow the state to do this, I'm not going to allow my employer to do this. And I'm going to hold strong to my values, the more all of us do that the less it becomes necessary to do that, because powerful entities become afraid of the people, when the people all individually make the decision to uphold their values and their morals and don't compromise for anything. Do you agree with that?

Unknown Speaker 15:37
I agree with that, I think that when they saw that some of us wouldn't just bow down. That's when they got fearful and angry. And they saw it as an act of defiance. And I think that that's why they chose to punish. There were some other interesting things about our circumstance, in particular, one of them being that we had to really push our union president at the time to, to do anything to represent us. And he was very left leaning and very public about it, even posting memes on Instagram and mocking those of us that felt this way. And he had very recently gotten moved to the chief of the department. And wow, then who told us you will never get your jobs back if you choose this. So wow, you use the word accountability. And that's exactly what I'm what I'm looking for. I just want

Robby Starbuck 16:29
I mean, that's that's that's blatant discrimination. I think that there's fantastic grounds for uh, you know, employment action lawsuits, litigation in general. I think there's, there's no question you guys were discriminated against, in my view, seeing this and hearing those statements. That's just unacceptable on every level. And, you know, I do think that that's another thing that happened throughout COVID Is it really exposed a lot of unions as the force that they've become, because so many of them have just become political action committees who are out there to support a certain party. And that's all they exist to do. And the reality of unions and what they were meant to do. helping workers is kind of lost in the shuffle. Because the reality is, if you're truly there for workers, you realize that your workers are going to have varying political beliefs, and that it's extremely polarizing for the head of your union to be publicly blasting the members of the Union. How can they feel protected? How can they feel like you're fighting for them? If you're out there, essentially, making fun of them left and right. I mean, that just seems like something that that you can't do if you're running a union? Sure does.

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Robby Starbuck 18:00
We've got an anonymous Doctor joining us today, we verified that they are in fact a doctor who has treated COVID patients and has dealt with this crisis since its began. And we wanted to really dig into a number of issues. Number one, why doctors feel the need at this point to stay anonymous, because this has been something we've ran into many, many times. And there is good reason for why they feel this way. But also to ask what has the experience been without having to worry about, you know, any potential kickback or or blow to their credibility or their job or ability to practice? So I want them to feel unencumbered and able to just answer these questions. So without further ado, thank you for joining us.

Unknown Speaker 18:43
Yeah, thanks for having me.

Robby Starbuck 18:45
So diving right in How has COVID changed your entire business? You know, I mean, this is this is something you've worked in medicine for a long time, how has it changed the fundamentals of the way you work?

Unknown Speaker 19:00
Yeah, so I've been a doctor for, you know, 15 plus years. And this has been something that I never really could imagine that I would see. So when I first started, you know, nobody was an expert in what we were seeing. And so that's the time to use your kind of novel thinking, reach back in into all the biology and physiology and think what's going to be helpful. But even when you started to do that, there were people that were telling you, you know, that that you couldn't do certain things, but we didn't know what the right answer was, but they just knew that there were certain wrong answers certain medications, you weren't supposed to use certain treatments. You weren't supposed to do that. There was a disconnect between what I saw in my community and my hospital in my clinic, and what I was being told on air on the television set, and that didn't seem right to me. And like, how lethal for one thing it was, what populations it was affecting And it was very clear to me that from the onset that that COVID was going to impact disabled people, much more obese people, people who were elderly, and the young people were doing quite well with it. Even during delta time,

Robby Starbuck 20:16
what would you say, you know, has changed since the introduction of the vaccine.

Unknown Speaker 20:21
It was interesting. A lot of people put up different ways to communicate to the, to different media outlets or different news outlets. And one of the ways is like they always showed, you know, like bodies of people. How many people were in the hospital that were vaccinated or unvaccinated? And in the beginning, there were a lot of pictures of you know, how many people were in that were unvaccinated? But it didn't seem to consistently jive. I mean, I knew what people were in the hospital and and there were some times when they were showing that all the people in the hospital were unvaccinated. yet. I'm looking at the hospital with vaccinated people in it. Yeah. And now, if they were to put up that same finding the vast majority are vaccinated.

Robby Starbuck 21:03
Is that the reason they're not putting these numbers out as consistently now?

Unknown Speaker 21:07
I don't know what the numbers are going to see. I don't know why the reason is, but it seems like if you put those same things up, people would be very concerned, you know, people that that in the beginning took on face value that they should get vaccinated now are like, Wait, I got the disease, too. I might. Yes, you did. So

Robby Starbuck 21:25
you just saw a report last week showing that the more vaccinations you had had of the COVID vaccine, that you were actually more likely to get sick? Is that what you're seeing?

Unknown Speaker 21:38
It wouldn't? It certainly wouldn't surprise me if that was the statistics. Now that can be skewed right, because a lot of that elderly and disabled people were more likely to get vaccinated as well. But the question is, then, is the vaccine, what is the vaccine actually benefiting? Okay, so if it doesn't avoid transmission, and we talked about how it reduced hospitalization by by a little bit, but then it changed from Delta, where we had a lot of hospitalizations to the new variants where we have very few hospitalizations, then what is the true benefit of the vaccine? And to who? Which groups? Certainly not to young people? Certainly not the healthy people? And what are the true risks associated with COVID vaccine? And how do we find out about it?

Robby Starbuck 22:28
Well, that's a good question right there. What are the true risks? What are you seeing in practice? You know, have you seen side effects from the vaccine? And what does that look like?

Unknown Speaker 22:38
I have seen side effects from the vaccine. There are some individuals that experience autoimmune like conditions, people that have antibodies that can cause type one diabetes Hashimotos, neurologic conditions. I would say that the number one thing I've seen in my practice is this vague neurologic condition, which makes it hard to detect whether what is coming from neuropathy. We call it small fiber disease, but the only way to tell it's small fiber disease for sure is through a biopsy, which are not readily available, except for in very large centers. So people get what are called paraesthesia. They get numbness, tingling, sometimes they get limbs that don't feel quite right. They get feeling like they're walking on marshmallows. There are lots of other reasons why people would get neuropathy as well. So blaming it only on the vaccine is hard to know as well. That's why they should have done randomized controlled studies to know the difference, right?

Robby Starbuck 23:35
This is anything like this before with other vaccines?

Unknown Speaker 23:39
No, no, and I get vaccinated a lot of people, I obviously have dealt with things like myasthenia gravis, or beyond Bray from flu vaccines. But that's very rare. That's very unusual. And the problem is, is that there's no specific test to say, Yes, this person has a vaccine injury. You know, there are some I've looked at React 19. And I think that they have some helpful labs. They have some helpful guidance, but there's this is new territory. And so if you go to a physician, and you say I have these symptoms, and the physician is just like, well, we know it's not the COVID-19 vaccine. How do you ever get worked up?

Robby Starbuck 24:17
Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's a great point. What do you think in your view, as a doctor places like the CDC need to be doing if they were doing the competent job of actually searching out what kind of dangers there are and risks that are truly being posed now and in the future to American citizens?

Unknown Speaker 24:37
I don't believe that anybody can rely on the various tests the various reporting system because physicians have approximately 15 minutes to see a patient they have they have to get in a chart which takes about three to four minutes. They have to review their data. They have to go in and visit with the patient and then they have to document which takes another three to four minutes so they literally have about seven minutes to pay Shouldn't they have Bucha work they have to do they have all kinds of other things besides seeing patients that they have to do. So the idea that then they're going to jump on a website to report vaccine injuries, only to probably put themselves at risk of somebody saying, What are you doing? Or Or why are you talking about this? I don't think that's a reliable system. What should have happened is what happens with everything we should have had a cohort that received the vaccine, a cohort that didn't receive the vaccine, they should have been randomized and controlled for COVID disease itself. And then we should have studied the neurologic complications, the heart complications, the immunologic complications, so that we truly knew if this vaccine was safe or not. And we should do that for years and years and years. We shouldn't we certainly should not mandate that people get a experimental medication that we really do not know the long term consequences of.

Robby Starbuck 25:51
Yeah, and you know, that's a view that Dr. Fauci actually shared many years ago, when people were suggesting an AIDS vaccine. He responded back to the media and said, essentially, that, you know, his big worry was that, well, if we go and rush something out, and maybe save for one year, maybe two, but we don't know that all help, may break loose 12 years down the line, if we do that, and we weren't prepared for it, because essentially, you know, they, they didn't plan for that future long term possibility. And it seems to me that that's the missing piece, where a lot of this fell apart and got in trouble. And the question I think a lot of people have at this point was, Was that intentional? Was that laziness? Was that a rush to try to stop something that they were overhyping? What was the reason that they they got to that point. And I think the other part of it is, you look at something like masks. Again, Fauci had previously had a very different position on masks, and then changed it when COVID came around. And people have those same questions, why? And how, you know what changed, and without them pointing to a variable that changed and being able to say, Oh, well, the size of the virus changed, or something along those lines, and that that allowed them to feel comfortable and thinking that mask would somehow protect people, which we all know, is not the case, if you actually look at data. You know, people deserve answers on all these fronts, and more than just deserving answers. I think it's about ethical medicine, because one of the things that I will say has bothered me a lot, just on an ethical basis is that, you know, informed consent seems to be a lost art within medicine. And I feel like that's something that should be paramount. And I wonder from your point of view, how prevalent Do you think informed consent truly is when it comes to things like the COVID vaccine, when doctors sit down and talk to patients? Because from my experience, it's incredibly rare that patients feel like they actually truly had informed consent.

Unknown Speaker 27:57
I absolutely agree that it is that it is a lost art. How do we give informed consent when we don't even have all the information that we need to give informed consent? I think it's very important that people understand that when you go to see a doctor, that's a family medicine, Doctor internist, you should know that when the COVID 19 vaccine came out, the American Board of Family Physicians and the American Board of Internal Medicine, they made a statement and sent out a statement to all physicians that if they did not recommend the vaccine, it was considered vaccine misinformation or COVID-19, misinformation. And anybody that was accused of giving misinformation would lose their board licensure. So when you lose your board certification, you cannot work in medicine, you can't practice medicine, essentially, because nobody's going to hire you if you don't have board certification. So that being said, would that make you feel differently about the information given to your physician? And also, who is giving your information to your physician? Is your physician doing independent study? Is your physician going out and really researching things? And then if they are, how do you research something that information may or may not be being suppressed?

Robby Starbuck 29:08
Wow, that is, that's something I think a lot of people do not know is that that was sent out and that these doctors were all uniformly threatened together, essentially, that hey, step out of line, and we're going to make sure you don't work again. I mean, it's not surprising. We've seen it in other industries as well. But I don't think a lot of people know that that happened. I don't

Unknown Speaker 29:29
feel like people understand, really what happens in the back rooms of hospitals, organizations, and as we've moved into employment type of medicine, where most physicians are employed, you have constraints in within your organization, if you say certain things, if you practice in certain ways that are not consistent with what they believe or they have set about as standard of care, which is fluid, right? It's decided by a group of individuals. And it may or may not be science based. The concern is like who's pulling the strings or who's actually making the decisions about what is right, what is wrong. And I think most people now know that there was reimbursement that followed, you know, the these things as well. So if there weren't people that like if you didn't have your hospital employees vaccinated, you lost CMS funding? Yeah. Well, what do you think's going to happen then? So, does that seem like you can get informed consent? Does that seem like that's a free choice? Does that seem like that's going to be something that you're going to sit down and think about, physicians don't just have unlimited income, most of them are not just going to lose their job. You know, their families are depending on them to they have debt for medical school. So most of them are going to kind of fall in well, then what happens to the psychology? Once you have yourself taking a vaccine? Then what's the psychology behind that? What's the psychology behind masks to as far as like, have we really studied not just one consequence, which I don't AI? Is a whole realm of itself? does it protect you against anything? What are the other consequences of those? We have all kinds of information we're not, we're not sharing or looking at regarding any

Robby Starbuck 31:15
of those. You have to absolutely we just saw a study out of Japan that showed that, you know, they found very dangerous bacterial infections inside of masks, and they actually recommended and this is the Japanese government, they actually recommended that people who were immunocompromised don't wear masks for any reason. You know, that's that's not a surprising study, honestly. I mean, I think that's actually something that if you would ask five years ago, pre COVID, to most doctors, do you think it's a good idea for immunocompromised people to walk around wearing masks and potentially having bacteria form on the masks that they're then breathing in? They would all pretty much uniformly say that's a bad idea. I always

Unknown Speaker 31:53
learned always learned you, you decrease viral load. By being in open air. We knew that, you know, we wanted airflow. We knew that we wanted people outside? Well, then is that consistent? If you want somebody outside and you want free airflow to also put a mask on your face? Because that doesn't seem consistent to me?

Robby Starbuck 32:14
Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. And what I would ask too, is, you know, that culture of you're almost you're describing sort of a culture of fear within the that world, you know, the doctors, you know, I mean, I think it's natural if they're being threatened in that way. And I don't think there's another way to describe it besides being threatened, because that's exactly what it sounds like. Is that I mean, it sounds like a dumb question. But is that the reason why so many of them are afraid to speak out? Even if they do disagree with what's going on?

Unknown Speaker 32:43
I absolutely believe that's part of it. I also think there's a group mentality where it's like, I think people kind of question their own ability to understand something, if you think about this, you know, there's a group of physicians that really understand vaccines and vaccine type medicine, infectious disease, Family Medicine, internal medicine, pediatrics, but it's probably harder for those that have practiced general surgery, for example, or neurosurgery or anesthesia for a period of time to reach back into it. So when they're, they're told, like, Hey, this is this is what is the deal? I think it's harder for them to reach back into their background, because they've practiced that one field for so long. They have to depend on other people like the CDC itself to say, look, this is this is our thought processing. And this is who we kind of trust on this? Well, what happens is that breaks down, and what happens if those aren't really the people that are trustworthy? What if they're being duly and unduly influenced by money by by getting funding from certain people, then then the whole system breaks down? So I do feel like, you know, if somebody tells you that you're going to be fired? If you're, if you don't wear a mask? Do you wear a mask, you know, and then by wearing a mask, don't you just tell everybody else that you that you agree, even if you don't agree? So it's a I think that there's a lot deeper psychology to this, then people really understand?

Robby Starbuck 34:08
Oh, I agree with you. I think that, honestly, if I had to describe the entirety of COVID Is anything I would say psychological warfare. I mean, I feel like that's, that's really the root of, you know, maybe not the intent behind it. But I think that's the reality of what's played out is a psychological war, that has really influenced a lot of people in very different ways. You know, and I think if you're in an industry where there is sort of a prevalent herd mentality, for necessity of survival within that industry, you're leaning into whatever is going to lead towards survival more often than not, by a pretty, pretty wide margin. Now, you know, you mentioned you know, the undue influence, whether it be monetary or something else. This is sort of where I get into the question of the effect that pharmaceutical companies have on doctors What do you think that effect truly is? Because I mean, we all know there's a relationship between pharmaceutical companies and doctors and medical institutions. How deep is it? And do you think that there's anything about it that could potentially be hurting the care of patients?

Unknown Speaker 35:16
Yeah, I mean, I think that in the old days, when pharmaceutical reps came in and gave, you know, free trips, or free lunches, or things like that, there was a lot of concern about undue influence. I personally didn't really feel like that was something that would ever influence me. But I can see how if you took a trip, or you or a speaker or something like that, that could unduly influence. I think the more concerning thing is that if you look at who really actually researches vaccines right now, or if you look at who puts out the the studies, right on this, the problem is that the pharmaceutical industry has infiltrated the studies that are now biased, as far as I'm concerned. So the real problem is that in order to find a unbiased study that is not tainted by the industry, is very, very difficult. And the funding is just not there for people to do studies on things that they don't have an interest in. So I think that's the real, real problem with this. And then the flow of information, of course of, well, where do you get your information from? How do you get your information? Who gives you your information? And if you take that backwards, who affected that? And if people don't believe that, or they say, you know, follow the science, just look up to things look up Oxycontin, and how oxycontin was promoted, and how information was suppressed. And look at what Pfizer did with their drug that was an anti inflammatory

Robby Starbuck 36:46
it Oh, yeah. I mean, we're talking about companies who have paid out I mean, some of the the worst fines that have been levied, because, essentially, of committing fraud, and in many ways in terms of how they marketed things, and how they treated people.

Unknown Speaker 37:00
Are they happy Loli are the ones that are that are lobbying in Washington. So yes, so the incestuous relationship between Washington and lobbyists, and at Big Pharma and big government is clear.

Robby Starbuck 37:16
Absolutely. And I think that's another thing that needs to change. I mean, if we're talking about a future where doctors can truly do no harm, and we're pharmaceutical companies can truly do no harm. There's a lot that needs to change. And I think that's one of the things that maybe maybe there's a positive out of this at the end of this. I mean, it's hard to parse out positives, but I think if you had to, one of them would be that a lot of eyes got open to the fact that, you know, there's a whole lot of corruption going on, on every level here and a lot of coercion and a lot of really incestuous sort of relationship, behavior that is not healthy between Washington and the pharmaceutical companies. And so, you know, if we don't fix that we're essentially signing up for more of the same. I would ask you, do you think at this point, the vaccines need to be pulled from market? Because I've talked to some cardiologists who have said affirmatively, absolutely. They feel like at this point, any other product would have been pulled from the market. And they don't understand outside of psychological or political reasons why it has not happened.

Unknown Speaker 38:19
I absolutely agree. I think that it should be pulled from the market until it's further studied. And that statement is is a bit difficult, because discerning, like, if that all those vaccines, is it Maderna? Is it? You know, is it which which ones are we talking about? I think that they should pull them and they should study them and then decide what's next, we're actually going the other direction, right? Where people are encouraging that we should continue to vaccinate yearly, or take more of them and take more of them. And we still do not have the option of not vaccinating in the healthcare industry. Right. So we still are required to get vaccinations of both COVID and flu. So the it's to me it it's very interesting that like, we have this whole question out there, and yet we're pushing so far forward is such a fast pace. Like why why is that happening?

Robby Starbuck 39:16
Why talk to a doctor earlier you said on a personal level, it's unnerving for them because they don't want to get the vaccine. They haven't wanted to get it, but they have gotten it and that they're seeing so many problems in patients that they can't help but wonder on a regular basis if they're just waiting for a problem to happen to them, you know, and I thought about that and that that's got to be a really difficult thing to to deal with. You know, and I doubt that person is alone. I think that there's probably more people who feel a similar way. I guess I'm curious in in your industry with, you know, among nurses and other doctors. Is there discussion about this? Are you guys talking about the vaccine side effects, you're seeing every adverse event. Are you talking about it in any way?

Unknown Speaker 40:07
There are many physicians talking about it, there are many nurses talking about it. There are many people that are unwilling to get vaccinated and go forward with putting their their own health at risk. And so I think the next question is, how, how do I move forward to be brave enough to speak out to try to help people and tread in the area of where people are saying, like, you're a bad person, or you don't know the science or you are crazy, or all these other things. But I think that we all have to understand that if we follow our altruism, and we really follow our oath of first do no harm, we have to be brave enough. If we have information to say, look, I'm seeing something here. That's not right. I have to tell tell people, I have to talk about it. Because it's just not right. These poor patients that are coming in are not in the same boat I am, they don't have the ability to just see, broadly multiple people and discern it. Right. So they're relying on me to be honest about what I see. And I have to be as honest as I can be and just say, you know, I don't know, but I'm certainly seeing things. You asked me earlier, what types of things I was saying, a seeing and a lot of cardiologists talk about cardiomyopathy, I have seen a lot of heart problems. But the issues that I'm seeing with heart are this episodically high blood pressure, like that just starts, but they talk about how pot syndrome can be associated with this, which is Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome. But I actually see not only that, but I see this hypertensive like people I've cared for for 15 to 20 years never had a problem. And then all of a sudden, their blood pressure is out of control. And two of them had heart attacks without really cholesterol plaquing on on catheterization. Why are these things being investigated? And then talked about? And how do we go about, you know, is if my only way to do this is to put up a various registry? Where does that go? What does it do? And what do I do next? And if I do try to help, am I going to lose my job? I would say I probably will lose my job if I continue to push the issue. Mainly,

Robby Starbuck 42:19
no, I mean, that's something I've heard consistently is people feeling that that's the case. And in terms of what you said about various I mean, you make a great point in terms of what is happening as as a result of this data, and honestly, very little is happening. I mean, there's there's no accountability, it seems like and when you look at, you know, people getting even a monetary sort of it's not even a compensation of some form for the injury they've gone through. I mean, that's not even happening, people aren't getting paid when they are injured. We've seen $0 Come out of the main fund so far, I think, seven cases had been approved, but no money actually paid out and out of the entire country and all the injuries that are being seen, that seems unconscionable to me, especially given the fact that we force people to get this. And I you know, I think people are learning lessons for the future, though. And it's my hope that the lessons we've learned throughout COVID will prevent a second type of event like this. And, you know, I'm not sure that's the case. But that's my hope, at least. And that's my my prayer, I guess, at the end of every day is that we have learned enough to prevent this from happening a second time. But, you know, I'm consistently confronted with the reality that there's just a lot of moving pieces that don't have the same altruistic interests that, you know, maybe myself or you do. And that's, that's always hard to stomach. But it's, it's true. And I think you've seen that Right.

Unknown Speaker 43:51
Right. Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, I think power and greed is what is really at stake here, power, money. This, this has to do with a lot more than a viral illness. And people are really going to need to be brave. So people are going to need to experience some discomfort, they're going to need to experience like this, this resiliency to say this is what I believe in. And it's important enough that I may lose my job. It is important enough that I may lose some friends, it's important enough, because I have to be the type of person that is brave and goes forward and says something's not right here. And I have to be brave enough to do it. And until we have enough people that do that. It's not going to it's not going to go in the right direction.

Robby Starbuck 44:37
Yep. And that's that's exactly what I've been saying from the rooftops is that there's no more dangerous thing than being part of a silent majority because you allow a very loud, usually extremist group of people to run everything and you've just been bullied into silence and you don't even realize you're the majority anymore. And that's a scary thing, and it leads to a scary place. And so I really hope that people will take to heart Are we you said,

Unknown Speaker 45:01
we have a thing in medicine, especially in the ER in critical situations, we say no decision is a decision. It means that if you are paralyzed in a situation that's critical, and you make no decision, you have made a decision for the patient. And I would say that we are at that point in our situation right now, no decision, if you want to make no decision to speak up for your patient, if you want to make no decision to tell them that there's a risk associated with us, if you want to make no decision to advocate for them, then you have made your decision, which is that you're a coward and you're gonna stand behind and and watch people potentially get hurt?

Robby Starbuck 45:36
Well, I'm glad that for your patients, at least, that you're their doctor, and you're looking out for them, I just hope that we, we have more doctors like you enough to make some good decisions in, you know, the future here. My other fear is that, you know, a lot of this sort of D AI diversity, equity inclusion stuff has infiltrated a lot of the medical community to a degree that they're slowly but surely trying to get rid of people who aren't willing to conform to the group thing, I think is the nicest way to say it. And it's a lot uglier than that. But I think that's the nicest way I could put it. And I wonder, do you see that?

Unknown Speaker 46:16
Yeah, I would give you an example of that, that people may not even understand. Say, you're a young person, and you need to do some type of job shadowing, the current situation with that is that you can't job shadow if you don't get a COVID 19 vaccine. Okay. So if you don't get a COVID 19 vaccine, you can't job shadow. Therefore, you can't get into dental school, med school, nursing school, you can't get into your education, if you don't have on your resume that you've done job shadowing. So guess what your whole conservative group of people that won't fall into line are not going to be able to be in this field? What's going to happen then?

Robby Starbuck 46:54
Yeah, it's a it's a scary, that's a scary prospect, you know, and that's, that's without even looking at, you know, how some of these organizations on a larger scale that deal with the licensing and everything else, how they're operating? And that's that's a whole other scary sort of prospect. But I think that, you know, I'm not sure how you prevent this, once an entire industry has begun to be pulled out from under us in this way, you know, where an entire ideological group has essentially taken hold. With such prevalence? I mean, what do you do?

Unknown Speaker 47:31
I have thought about that a lot. And I'm not sure that I have a solution for that, I think that not only related to COVID, but related to a lot of other things going on in the larger world, right? Now, you need to pull back to the basics of depending on your your most basic group of people, who do you talk to? How do you communicate? Who do you trust, who do you work with, so you put your money where your mouth is, you don't support, things that you don't agree with? You know, and so if that means that you pay a little bit more at your local grocery, instead of big box stores, you do it? If that means if somebody doesn't tell the value that's consistent with yours, you don't support that. And we're gonna have to like, actually, for oh, yeah, we're gonna have to follow through with our beliefs. Yep,

Robby Starbuck 48:19
this has been, this has been a big priority for my wife and I this year is we want to get everybody's divorced from this system of, you know, the reality that's been built for so long that you have to go to all these big box places, you have to do all this stuff, we have to have our own parallel economy, essentially, that's able to operate freely without the ability for these companies to cancel you or destroy your life in any way. And also creates job opportunities and the ability to raise up, you know, new new sorts of groups that are willing to, you know, maybe think outside the box. Now, my last question for you, is that, as you look ahead, what do you think is the most important lesson that people learn from what's happened with COVID?

Unknown Speaker 49:07
I think that the most important lesson is a lesson that I learned even before this, which is, everything is a slippery slope. So if you allow any give at the beginning, it will get worse and worse and worse. So when somebody says, well, we just need to do this for a short period of time. And you don't say, No, we're not doing that, then you're going to actually end up in a position where there's just an erosion further and further and further. So the time to stand up and speak is at the beginning. It's not at the end. You don't wait until we're done. Yeah, that's right. No, you've got to speak up right in the beginning and say, No, I don't agree with this. We're not doing it this way.

Robby Starbuck 49:44
Imagine where we'd be right now had everybody who actually disagreed with this stood up uniformly and said that from the very start, but again, that's the psychological side of this it convinced people they were actually not in the majority when in fact they were so I lied a little bit actually have one last last question. legislatively, is there anything that would help doctors like you to protect your ability to do your job? And speak freely? Is there anything that I could do to push to lawmakers to try to get a little more freedom and autonomy for doctors to be able to question the science in question, you know, what's going on? Is there anything along those lines, that would be helpful?

Unknown Speaker 50:22
Man, that is a incredibly great question and something that I've been so focused on the very lowest level of working directly with the patient. And I've been working so hard on trying to figure out how to test for things and how to get them to help they need that I have not really stepped back and think about that, just think about that. But clearly, that is actually where we need to go with this is to protect the autonomy and rights of an individual physicians from employers, organizations, board certifications, I think that there there are some alternative board certifications coming up that we need some of the industry to acknowledge. And if we can get acknowledgement that this has become a self like fulfilling prophecy from you fall into line or you you know, now there's a physician code of conduct, which sounds like it would be a wonderful thing, right? That sounds like that is very reasonable. But if you look at the fine print on it, it means that if you push back, if you want to practice something novel, all these things you can be, you can have your livelihood to move, and if so, yes, so absolutely. I think that we need to have individuals who are really forward thinking, sit down with people who understand the laws and understand the legislature and understand these things, and say, What do you need, here's how we can accomplish it. And we need to form those groups, just like we just talked about before, where it takes a small group of people that make a big change, we need to put the right people in the right places to institute change.

Robby Starbuck 51:56
Absolutely. Well, thank you so much for your time. And if you do come up with any sort of legislative idea, let me know you have my information now. And I'd be happy to help try to push this through legislatures, all over the country, we've had some great success with other bills for other subjects. And it's something I've been thinking about, and I don't quite have exactly the answer, which is I haven't really presented anybody yet. But I knew this is a problem. And the way I kind of posed the question to you is how I've been thinking about it that how do you protect the autonomy of doctors, on the subjects while also ensuring that, you know, it doesn't also protect somebody who goes crazy, you know, or something along those lines? You know, if somebody says, Oh, well, I think it's medically necessary to stab patients, you know, I mean, you've got to draw a line somewhere. So yeah, I'm trying to figure that out and parse that out. But if you come up with anything that would be legislatively helpful, you know, please reach out and tell me because I want to help be a part of the change for this to ensure it doesn't happen again. We couldn't do this show without our great sponsor, Patriot mobile, if you haven't heard about Patriot mobile, they are the cellphone service for you get away from the big companies, you keep your cell phone number, you keep your phone, don't worry about it, it's not a hassle, it's quick to switch over and you stop giving your money to woke corporations who want to do nothing but take your money and turn it over to far left Marxist groups. Patriot mobile puts their money where their mouth is, they help flip school board seats and put their money into conservative projects like this one, so that they support the values that we believe in, you need to switch over today. If you care about your values, it's time for us to put our money where our mouth is. And Patriot mobile is one of the ways you can do that by switching over their service standards are the exact same as all the major providers out there. So don't tell me Oh, I would do it. But I'm worried about bad service. It is the same service standards that the big ones are required to abide by. It is fantastic. It is worth the switch, make it today you get free activation, patriot Just say Starbucks, and you get that free activation for your phone lines, you will not regret it. And you will be very pleased to find out that the money from your phone bill is now going toward projects and values that you believe in. We also spoke to a patient advocate and again, we granted anonymity for the same purpose that we did with the doctor, EMT and nurses because we wanted to get the real unfiltered truth about what happened during COVID Without any fear of reprisal or losing their job. So we're gonna dive right in. Thank you so much for joining us.

Unknown Speaker 54:33
Thank you, Robbie.

Robby Starbuck 54:35
So I just want to ask you right off the bat, you know, how did COVID Change your workplace? How did it change the experience for your patients as a patient advocate, you're always looking out for their best interests. How did everything change?

Unknown Speaker 54:47
Well, let me start off just by saying, just to clarify, I'm not giving any medical advice. I really want people to find somebody who's invested in their wellness and takes the time to get to know them personally. So be looking for those things if you're looking for a practitioner, but just as far as my experience on the COVID units, the whole, the whole experience had changed as far as interaction, as you can imagine being masked, being away from family. Right now I currently work as a patient advocate, the primary Advocate has always been the family member at the bedside. So they've always been the one driving the questions, helping staff notice, like slight differences that maybe we wouldn't pick up on, because we don't know them. We don't know, their baseline. So families play a huge role in alerting nurses and doctors if something's changing, or if something's wrong. And so when you take away that relationship that we have, not only with the family, but with the patient themselves, it was just a really dramatic difference for me to witness.

Robby Starbuck 55:50
And, you know, you touched on something there that I think, you know, we could expand on, you know, essentially became an environment where patients no longer have the dignity of having their families around. And in some cases, that is still sadly the case, even in the United States of America, where family members are being held back from being with their loved ones, even as they die. You know, what was that like, as a patient advocate? And how was it for patients that you saw that they were going through this?

Unknown Speaker 56:20
Well, it was incredibly sad, especially to watch as a nurse, because that's, that's what I that's my primary go to is making sure that the families is there, they're available that the goodbyes are said, a lot of times in the dyeing process, we get a window, there's a window where they come back, you know, they might have been sleepy, not communicative. And all of a sudden, we get this beautiful window and the dyeing process where they'll come back. And if the family is there, we don't know how long it lasts, we don't know when it's going to happen. And if the family isn't there, at that time, I just feel like precious moments were missed, for people to die with their loved ones by their side. And even to have, you know, clergy come in to have the right final rites administered. A lot of times that wasn't happening to

Robby Starbuck 57:12
now tell me this, you know, in your experience, and again, you know, I've stressed throughout this, this whole thing with every interview we've done, these are the anecdotal experiences of these these people. And, you know, it gives us a window into what some people have experienced, but in your opinion, you know, what kind of differences Did you see when the vaccine started to roll out in terms of outcomes for vaccinated versus unvaccinated patients.

Unknown Speaker 57:34
So it was something that it troubled me so much that I was I wasn't sure I could withstand it to be there as a witness to it. But I was working the first few months of that vaccine rollout and the facility that I was working at, they were actually administering the vaccines. So we got to hear overhead when there were problems going on. And the calls overhead were emergency calls to go to the vaccine clinics site. So that that worried a lot of the staff. And we had questions. And there were meetings about that there's a lot going on just as far even as the experience of my coworkers that they were complaining of having side effects to the point where notices went out saying you cannot have the vaccine unless it lines up with your days off. Because you're going to need so much time off to recover. It's never happened. It's never happened. So is

Robby Starbuck 58:25
there ever been a push quite like this for any other vaccine within within the medical industry in terms of like the, you know, really it built this this bridge or bridge is maybe the wrong word it built this this environment will say where it really cut people into multiple different groups of you know, people who should be humanized and people who should be dehumanized. And I think that is one of the most dangerous things and continues to be one of the most dangerous things is how people who chose not to get it were dehumanized.

Unknown Speaker 58:54
Right. Right. That's huge. And it's a it's a big scary thing. Because, you know, I think a lot of what's been going on with the medical community is they've been propagandized in a certain way to d value the person either who has the contagion, the disease, or people who potentially would be spreaders, which to them would be the unvaccinated. So both of these people are discriminated against,

Robby Starbuck 59:18
which is interesting, because now we're seeing science showing that, you know, in many places, the more vaccinated you are, the more likely you are to end up in the hospital with COVID. And that's something that I think has shocked a lot of people who maybe truly didn't believe the lines that were being fed to them by the CDC, and thought they were doing the right thing because we've heard from these people, too. I've had some folks reach out who said listen, I thought from the very beginning, CDC was being honest about this, I got it myself. I even got boosted. And you know, now I'm dealing with the outcome of that personally but also the guilt of having gone and relayed this message from the sea. CDC to people believing it was the truth and not knowing how many people it has now affected. What can you tell me in terms of, you know, that sort of thought process, you know, playing out?

Unknown Speaker 1:00:12
I can't relate to that so much just because I don't subscribe to the vaccines personally, but I have seen that push over the years it started with the flu shot actually, where it was, do you want to get it do not will offer it to from the employer. And slowly it became okay, you need to sign a declination? Well, I would say I don't want to sign the declination, like what are the repercussions for not signing a declination? None. Okay, so then I went through that, then years went by of that, and then it was finally okay, if you don't do this, then you're going to have to wear masks. And the compliance went way up when they were threatening to mask people. This is pre COVID for the flu shot. So it was that this was it was 2019. And a lot of nurses that I knew that I had talked to about the dangers of the flu shot. They were they were in the pattern of declining and they accepted it in 2019. Wow, well had horrible experiences with COVID. So I think that that was kind of a predisposition, you know, is sort of prime their immune system that we've seen some people who got the flu shot were more prone to severe COVID. Well, all

Robby Starbuck 1:01:19
I can say is, you know, I've told people pretty much my whole life I've ever gotten the flu shot. And I've also not gotten the flu. You know, and everybody I know, and this is just my anecdotal experience. I can't say that this is the absolute truth or anything, just my own life experience. Pretty much everybody I know who gets the flu shot and complains to me about how they got the flu. And it's always blown my mind that and I always bring it up to them. I'm like, I don't get it. You got the flu shot, and then you got the flu.

Unknown Speaker 1:01:47
Why were you there? Like, oh, it was a poor match? Well, what year has it been a good match? You guys would always ask

Robby Starbuck 1:01:53
because, you know, I've looked in the data to where they even admit in later years. Okay, last year wasn't a match last year wasn't a match. And I'm like, when is it a match guys. And you know,

Unknown Speaker 1:02:04
I had a great match for many years. And what's interesting now is when I'm offered contracts will not then been offered any but if I, you know, if I poke the bear a little bit, I'm like, Okay, how much are you guys willing to pay? Will you accept me with religious exemption? And they'll say, Well, we're accepting for COVID. But now they're not accepting for the flu. Wow, it's interesting how that flu shot has come back again. And it's because they know they've gotten in a lot of legal trouble,

Robby Starbuck 1:02:32
where they're trying to force compliance in any way they can. You know, this is something I've talked about a lot, too, just in terms of religious liberty, I do think it's really interesting that a bunch of secular institutions have decided that they're now the arbiters of what your religious beliefs mean. And that's dangerous. I mean, you talk about already them stopping people from being able to get their last rites, in some cases, then you're also unilaterally deciding what each nurse and each doctor believes religiously. I mean, how many ways can that go wrong?

Unknown Speaker 1:03:03
Right, right. Exactly.

Robby Starbuck 1:03:07
This is the start of a very dangerous road, if anybody is willing to accept this on a large scale, because the minute they can question this religious belief, well, then they can go and question your other religious beliefs. So say you're in OB, who doesn't want to take part in abortions? Well, what if the hospital says you're fired? If you don't, because we don't care about your religious belief, and that's neither here nor there. Whether you support it or not, it's just a clear fundamental reality of religious freedom, should a doctor be forced to do something that they don't agree with or a nurse be forced to take part in a procedure they don't agree with? I don't think they should. It's kind of the same thing as a pharmacist where, you know, this has been something it's been litigated for years, should they be required to dispense a medication that they feel is in opposition to their religion? And the answer has always been no, they just need to provide somebody else who can dispense but that no corporation or workplace should have the ability to force you to go do something that you feel is in direct violation of your religious beliefs. You know, so that's something that I think we really need to get a handle on. But, you know, do you feel like COVID in any way increased medical neglect?

Unknown Speaker 1:04:19
Oh, I do. Definitely. Absolutely. Especially in terms that the staff were scared, they were really scared. And so they weren't spending that much time and patient rooms. They're also all the the PPE the mask, you know, you have to wear full garments going in. So that's very cumbersome, especially going in and out often. So, you know, it's part part of it is I don't want to say laziness, but it's like it is very cumbersome part of the job. I broke my glasses, had prescription glasses like it's so heavy, it broke my prescription glasses. In addition to that, it was really the lack of tools. It was Almost a poverty mindset where we were in this, it's like a spiritual, like soup of nihilism where it's, you know, whatever happens happens, it's COVID, you know, they're destined to die. And it didn't necessarily have to be that way, because we had a whole bunch of tools in our hands. I've my traveler, so one of the units I was on, it turned out that they were putting in central monitoring, right as I was coming on, and this was a year into COVID. And what that means is, like patients were put in the back without proper monitoring of their oxygen levels, in of their cart, in a couple of patients had expired, alone, and nobody knew about it till they found them dead. So that's what it took. It takes people dying in order for changes to happen. And that's the sad part is that there were casualties to COVID. So it was beyond neglect. It was his neglect that led to death. I

Robby Starbuck 1:05:59
mean, unfortunately, I think you're actually right. On that point, you know, I will ask this. In my life, my life experience has been that when you have a family member or a loved one in a hospital, and there's some sort of crisis, there's been situations where I know for a fact having a family member there has saved somebody's life, because they've been able to relay really important information to the doctor to the nurses, or they've been able to observe something that may have been missed by doctors or nurses. stipple. You know, I even know of a case, you know, personally, where there had been somebody who said something in the patient's care, I'm not going to single it out, or, you know, call the person out, but he was somebody involved in the care, they relayed something that was not true, that could have actually really hurt the patient. And had there not been a family member there to have caught that and immediately notified somebody else involved in the patient's care, things could have gone horribly wrong. And I'm curious throughout COVID, and the new protocols that were put in place, did you see or witness an environment where this sort of thing becomes more likely, because it opens up the ability when families far away, and they're not there to observe everything. Number one, it can hurt the patient just right off the bat by not having somebody there who can observe things, you know, really easily, but secondarily, even allow an environment where people who mess up can cover it up by lying.

Unknown Speaker 1:07:31
Right? Yeah. And that's, that's part of that. Well, it's COVID. And it's in the holistic mindset, that on top of that, I did see a few things that were concerning it was it was medical mismanagement is the term I use, because it was things that I could see how it would appear as COVID. But it wasn't COVID. And these people were very acutely ill, and they needed a different treatment. But because these COVID blinders were on, they weren't offered a proper differential diagnosis, because there was that fear of time wasn't spent with them. I it was my first training day and I was trying to figure out what to call a doctor. And they're like, oh, no, the doctors don't come to the COVID unit. Like what? That's ridiculous. A doctor is not going to cut. I'm like, I have a patient that I'm watching Die. And I sent the labs I'm calling the physician finally got ahold of them. And they said, well, those labs aren't compatible with life. And I said, Well, you need to come up here to the bedside, because this person is very much alive. And if we don't intervene immediately, they may not be. So it was that type of medical mismanagement. It was somebody who they had tested positive for COVID. But they were actually in a diabetic crisis. Wow. So it was her blood sugars that needed to be treated. And that's why she was going into respiratory arrest. And she was, I mean, like her labs, they weren't compatible with that she was on the cusp. But she is somebody who make it by the grace of God is really an amazing story. But yeah, that was my first day of video and new doctors around you don't know how to get a hold of them. Apparently, they don't come to the floor. You have to text them. It was so bizarre. It's like is this what medicine is? It's,

Robby Starbuck 1:09:17
it was real. Can you tell us about the incentive that hospitals have to mark deaths as a COVID death?

Unknown Speaker 1:09:24
Okay, so there's huge financial incentive towards that. And this is what there's a whole broader picture here that I call is the socialization of medicine. This is what social socialized medicine is. And first of all, you alter the power structure where you call these people heroes, and I don't like that term. And I saw early on we were I was talking with a Christian friend of mine, she's like this could go badly this could go the wrong way. I know it sounds favorable now, but it's increasing that that different power structure and then you owe masks and then you add This feeling of that you're a hero again, if you get vaccinated. So it's like, the power is so far off that it's hard to equalize again and give the patient back power and autonomy, especially when you have this whole organization. And it's not just the doctors and nurses, it's structured from the government, then you have pay incentives that are happening. They've also they a lot of these states have signed on so that they don't have liability. The doctors don't have liability for prescribing these protocols, and neither do the nurses. But in some cases in California, they're suing over remdesivir, because they didn't give proper informed consent. So there's, there's ways out of that liability.

Robby Starbuck 1:10:47
I want to stop you there on it on informed consent. Yes, huge, huge issue. Probably close to the top issue, if not the top issue that I've had the biggest problem with when it comes to the vaccine. How often do you think patients are given informed consent about what they're actually getting put into their body?

Unknown Speaker 1:11:08
Oh, gosh, I want to say close to never, that sounds terrible. But I mean, as far as as far as going through the side effects, I'm a Christian. And this like, Why did I have to research so much? Like why did I have to deep dive to find out that there's aborted fetal material and vaccines, that it's part of the manufacturing process is part of the history of these vaccines? Like, and it's also in medical products. There's a lot of questions about the blood supply about IVIG. So it's something that I think not only are practitioners bound by, but at some point, we got to get the religiously conscious people on board to meaning pass, and I've heard it more from pastors and priests, but it's like they have to get the word out to to their congregants. And I think a lot of them did just the opposite. They started vaccine clinics. And I think there was financial incentive for them to do that, too.

Robby Starbuck 1:12:06
Absolutely. You know, another thing I would say that you sort of started to touch on is that power dynamic that has become even more dangerous, because that whole idea and the narrative that, you know, basically, science and doctors could not be questioned, has led to a pervasive growth in the power dynamic that is already weighted against the patient. And so, you know, what can you tell me about the environment there was or is still today, for patients who just want to ask questions are questions allowed?

Unknown Speaker 1:12:39
No, no, questions are not allowed. And that's, that's primary. And that's how I get a lot of people who reach out to me for help is mostly it's for data capture, because they either they don't know the right questions, or they're asking questions and getting answers that they don't like, or that they're still not sure the picture of what's going on with their loved one, especially if they're not at the bedside. That's where my role was really key was trying to decipher what's going on even sitting on the phone, with the nurses giving report to the family, because a lot of times they won't talk to me, they don't want to talk to me, but a lot of it is data capture, and then informing the family have, what their rights are gathering them resources, helping to research and then helping them execute a game plan. You know, this is what what would your loved one what what is it that you want to do? And this is how we can try to enforce that as quiet as kindly as possible? Because it's, I mean, we've had some bizarre reactions from doctors where they, you know, they refuse to treat they they refuse to transfer patients, they refuse to carry out family wishes, try alternative methods. Refuse right to try. It's become so basic, they're actually refusing them. Food and water. Unbelievable. Is patients that aren't they're not ventilated. They're actually laying in the bed asking, saying, I'm thirsty. I'm hungry. And they're denied that right?

Robby Starbuck 1:14:10
Well, you bring up refusal. One thing that I feel like was incredibly dangerous that grew again, throughout COVID was the idea that hospitals and doctors just unilaterally deny all patient requests and all of their family requests. What can you tell me about that? Did you see that happening? And why was it happening? Was there any discussion behind the scenes in terms of saying like, Oh, we're just not going to listen to anything families request about their loved ones care, because I saw this myself where, you know, somebody I know, their mom went into the hospital and was put on remdesivir against the family's wishes, they wanted her put on something else, and the hospital refused, put her on something else and put her on remdesivir Anyways, and then she died.

Unknown Speaker 1:14:53
Yeah. And that we've seen that happen, too. And it's, I mean, at that point, we've had to get legal it's You have to get legal involved, you have to get Yeah, you have to get judgments that, you know, alternative doctors, we have to get our own doctors to go in our own nurses to go in to administer different medications. And even doctors that were willing, some of them have been immediately fired. If they been off protocol, because then they're not there, then the hospital isn't under that liability shield. Yeah, there's, there's just a blanket response of No. And even I have a substack that I got an email this morning from American frontline nurses. And it was at a family member saying asking for the remdesivir vera to come off. She's like I did my research, I don't feel comfortable with it. And they said, well, it's just another few days. And it's, there's a time when no means no patients more right to say no. And we know that the longer that remdesivir goes, the more complications people have. And they usually want to start it off 24 hours. So as soon as somebody hits the ER, that's when his time starts ticking. And it's it's really imperative to say no, every single time, any person, you're talking to any person, any nurse, and the pharmacist, put it as an allergy, put it as I'm allergic to remdesivir, it's on my allergy list. If I get it, I'll have a really bad reaction, my kidneys will fail, I could possibly die. So that's on my allergy list. There's a game you gotta play, there's and that's what it's come to is you got to be in about their own game. Because if you would have a reaction, if you go into kidney failure, then they're liable because they didn't you ask them they, anytime you give them medication, you have to ask what the allergies are. It's one of the rights of medication of what we learn in school, you have cert, they have certain rights to make sure they get the right medication at the right time for the right person. So if there's an allergy, that's immediate stop for the pharmacist for the nurse and for the doctor.

Robby Starbuck 1:16:58
Yeah. What do you know in terms of your own experience, but also your colleagues experience when it comes to side effects from the COVID vaccine? What types of side effects are they seeing in hospitals right now?

Unknown Speaker 1:17:10
Right now what we're hearing a lot of is the cardiac, there's cardiac issues, especially among the younger, we're hearing that from family members of teenagers, kids that are needing it for college, you know, they're trying, they're trying to not get it for whatever reason, and then, you know, it's like the college requires it, or it's required to go on this, you know, international trip or a cruise. So people are, they're getting it to keep participating in life, things that they're entitled to do anyways, this some most triggering, I think because cardiac issues, it's not really nuanced. And in people that are middle aged and older, especially for men. I mean, that's not something you'd necessarily look at as like, that's an oddball, but when it's happening to children, that's concerning. So it's, yeah, it's the children that are the red flags.

Robby Starbuck 1:18:06
Yeah. And how pervasive would you say it was? Because I've heard this throughout interviews with everybody, how pervasive was the use of fake vaccine cards by people who didn't want to get it, but said, I am going to procure this on the side because I don't want to lose my job. Did you hear about anybody doing this?

Unknown Speaker 1:18:25
I did. I didn't personally know anybody that did that. I think when it came to that enforcement is, most of the people I knew caved. Like they were staunchly against it. They could go through the whole narrative. And you know, they would say this is bio weapon. I don't believe in all the death stats. And you know, the media is really exaggerating the superlatives. Oh, good, and who's affected by it? So it's like, they knew all the stats, and they said the right things, but in the end, they caved. That's, I know of a few people who have on but they're not employed. So it's like when it came to either, either they said no, and they don't have jobs, or, you know, they caved and they got the shot. And a lot of them have remorse. Now, after getting that, especially seeing what's going on with the side effects.

Robby Starbuck 1:19:19
Alright, last two questions. One is what could have prevented this all from happening? And the other is, what do we need to do differently in the future, in your opinion, to make sure that this type of power imbalance and really frankly, evil in some cases does not continue to play out in medicine?

Unknown Speaker 1:19:39
Oh, yeah. So how could it have been prevented? For me that's really easy. It's It's knowing history, knowing you know what happened during the Holocaust. And, as it be today is Holocaust Remembrance Day, it's January 27. So knowing that the anthem of that is never again, we do not want this to happen again. And what came out Out of the Holocaust was we had the Nuremberg laws, which was saying that you have to give informed consent. And it can't be. It can't be consent under coercion or duress. And the majority of people that I know, they were coerced into taking those vaccines, and also remdesivir, and the monoclonal antibodies, so it was all encompassing, and it was this, it was a war over people's minds, is a propaganda war. It's like, if we had known our history, there's actually a really good movie called caring corrupted, it's about the killing nurses of the Third Reich. And just kind of that slow boil of how they became fully on board with the execution of Jewish people, 6 million Jewish people perish. And that couldn't have it wouldn't have been possible without nurses and physicians, they're the ones that carried it out. So it's, it's really incredible to think about the Jewish people were also medically experimented on. So it's terrifying to think that history would repeat itself.

Robby Starbuck 1:21:01
Well, there's one other component to that's very important in terms of, you know, how that all happened, then, and something a parallel to what we're seeing. Now. I mean, obviously, you know, the death numbers are not the same things like that. But it's just in terms of spelling out how in history, we see evil perpetuated with similar tools. And in similar ways, you know, a silent majority, that was silent was a big part of the problem, because everybody who disagreed in Germany, was afraid to speak out. And at a certain point, it was too late to speak out, unless you too wanted to end up on the wrong side of the authoritarian tyrant dictators that were murdering people. And so that fear to speak out is incredibly dangerous. If you don't do it early, and speak out, eventually, you may not be able to. And at a certain point, you realize that in some ways, you you're complicit with what happens as a result of that silence. And so I think that that's something I warn people about a lot is that, you know, we can't be afraid to speak up. Because if we are, this is sort of a submission in itself. Even if we don't submit in ways that we think are really important. This is a form of submitting if we're afraid to just talk about things. And so you know, I appreciate the the parallel you're drawing in there. And you know, some people jump on this and say, You should never compare anything in the Holocaust. And the truth is that some Holocaust survivors have brought this up throughout COVID. And it's not to compare atrocities. It's not to say something's as bad as the Holocaust. It's to say that listen, you know, part of the way you ensure that the Holocaust never happens again, that atrocities that are similarly devastating never happen is by speaking up and making sure people remember history. And that's why some Holocaust survivors have spoken out and said, you know, a lot of these things are scarily reminiscent in terms of what allowed the Holocaust to occur. That doesn't mean that you know, that's the eventualities next, but it just means that these are dangerous signals, dangerous symptoms of a very, very, very toxic poison. And, you know, I think that's something people need to do need to hear that, you know, we've we've got to ensure that if we truly never want something like that to happen again, then we have a responsibility to stand up when we see things going the wrong direction. You agree with that?

Unknown Speaker 1:23:23
Yeah, absolutely. I do. There's the comparison to the Holocaust. But there's also just the history of vaccines in general, where we've seen this pervasive problem of it's really not even abortion, because they, they take these babies, and they've rip out their organs while they're still alive. So this is murder. That's happened. And there's a whole lot of ethical implications in Germany about in the research and development, correct? Yeah, the research and development most of this, what I've learned is through Dr. Stanley Plotkin, through the testimony, the 2018 testimony, where he was under oath, talking about how these vaccines were initially created. So it's, if we would have said, No, we don't want these, they have ethical alternatives. So we could have pushed the pharmaceutical company into saying, No, we don't want these. We want liability, that'd be great. That'd be great. If you guys were liable and made safe products, that'd be huge.

Robby Starbuck 1:24:23
Well, I mean, I'll never understand that the idea that these companies should not be liable, it's ludicrous if I went out and I created a car in my garage and I decided to sell it to somebody and and blew up, I'd be liable for it because number one, I was not qualified to build the car. But number two, if the product that I made, went in and just spontaneously combusted that's on me. I was responsible for that, you know, and I think that it's just ludicrous to tell big pharmaceutical companies that they're different somehow.

Unknown Speaker 1:24:54
Yeah, they're totally immune. And it's not it's not just the EUA products. It goes all the way back Back to 1986 all those products since then there's total shield immunity. So I think if we would have pushed them to make more ethical products and then push for liability, we wouldn't and our answer is not we're not be Yeah. Oh,

Robby Starbuck 1:25:15
yeah, currencies missing. And I'm a big believer that we need to immediately ban members of the government, from leaving government and going to be employed at big pharmaceutical companies and their family members. So if you want to go and you want to be a part of the government, you want to go join the FDA, you are never going to be able to work at a pharmaceutical company, and neither is your wife, or your son or your daughter, because that's how you get into extremely dangerous territory. And we saw this in the Pfizer videos that were just released by Project Veritas where the iser employee says that, yeah, there's there's a dangerous, you know, sort of system where the people from the FDA come over to the pharmaceutical companies. So as a byproduct, if they want to come here, they know they have to go soft on us. And, you know, the Project Veritas person on the other side says, Well, you know, that's gotta be good for business. And he says, yeah, it's great for business bad for America. And the Pfizer employee knows that this is bad for America. And he wasn't saying this to warn anybody. He was saying this gloating in the in the ad, he was on a date, he was proud of this. And that's what's you know, just really incredibly dangerous. We continue this pipeline of allowing people to go to the FDA, go soft on Big Pharma and then get a huge payout by big pharma a couple of years later, that's just crazy. I mean, it honestly, it seems like a mafia. And so I think that's something we immediately have to cut out.

Unknown Speaker 1:26:40
Yeah, yeah, we need to address the the government corruption, and also the Bible Act, which says that, you know, they, they use taxpayer money, and they develop these patents that they enrich themselves with. And then they charge the American taxpayer. On top of that, what's happening

Robby Starbuck 1:26:58
right now with the vaccines, I mean, the American public paid for the development of the vaccines. And then now, you know, Maderna just announced, they're going to be charging over $130 Each vaccine, when it costs $3, to produce and the American public funded the creation of the vaccine, that itself is just crazy town. It's basically the worst, most bizarre version of socialized communist medicine, you can imagine you're paying for it, but you're paying for it twice, and then marking it up the second time. That just doesn't make any sense.

Unknown Speaker 1:27:29
Yeah, that's, that's how medicine works. It has for a long time with insurers. And, yeah,

Robby Starbuck 1:27:35
well, you know, I am hopeful I see new systems forming, you know, there's some I'm involved with, there's one that's, you know, concierge medicine service, I think that's kind of the future of medicine, where, you know, you go back to sort of the old times of you know, Doctor drops by your house checks in on you sees how you're doing checks your vitals, you know, maybe he's actually involved in your nutrition and making sure you have the vitamins you need, and everything, more of a family oriented aspect of medicine rather than the, you know, sort of, I mean, I don't have a nice way to put it, it's almost like a, like an animal shelter when you go to a regular doctor's office site. They're, they're funneling the people in and out, like they're, you know, a dog that needs to get their vaccines, and it's like, shop, you just need your shots, you're going back in the cage, you know, and then it's just, I mean, it's honestly, I think it's ludicrous in the in the animal hospital, but it's even more ludicrous on human beings that, you know, you just pump them in and out as fast as you can. That's not care. That's not good medicine, in my opinion. And I don't think that's upholding the oath of doing no harm, either. Because it leads to the outcomes we have now where people can't question things, they ended up with a medicine they didn't know, had serious side effects and maybe end up with a cardiac issue, or, you know, have extreme blood clotting. You know, there's all kinds of outcomes we hear about and some of them, you know, maybe more benign, you know, but they're still troubling to people. Like, let's say, you know, Bell's Palsy, you know, if you have partial facial paralysis that can be really difficult to go through. And a doctor, I've seen doctors do this, they, they almost make it seem like it's no big deal. And like, Oh, it'll go away, don't worry about it. And it's like, yep, people are going to worry about that. That's, that's a very serious life altering situation that most people don't suspect is going to occur as a byproduct of getting this when they're not told ahead of time, that it is a possibility. And I think that it says everything that we don't have informed consent, because the truth is, number one, many doctors don't even have informed consent themselves. They couldn't answer the questions if you ask them. But number two, if you gave informed consent to most people, there's no chance they would get it. You know, most people are not going to be willing to go and take that risk. If you tell them that, you know, hey, you could get a heart attack. You get blood clots, you get, you know, all these different syndromes. You could get Bell's Palsy. You could have seizures, II go down the list. There's all of these side effects that everybody knows about now, that nobody knew about in the beginning in terms of that informed consent. So And we're still not getting it today, even though we know about it, doctors still aren't telling people, in many cases that these are possibilities. If you're a longtime follower or listener, you know, I've talked about how broken our healthcare system is. And it is time for a solution. That's why I've partnered with a company Clarus. To bring you that solution, you want to go back to the old days where a doctor actually cared, they came to your house, they gave real service and health care to your family, not sick care just waiting for you to get sick. That's Clarus, you can get a doctor that comes to you or telehealth. And you can get that service on a one off basis. Don't do what the insurance companies just deal directly with them, and get the health care you deserve. This, again, is an opportunity if you're one of those people that says I don't want a doctor who asked my kid about their pronouns. I don't want a doctor who's got propaganda and their waiting room, I don't want a doctor who tries to push a vaccine that I'm not comfortable with every time that I go into the doctor's office, then this is for you. They're expanding faster locations are going to open nationwide at certain points in time in the future. So make sure you sign up even if you're not in the areas I'm about to name where they are already up and running. Right now. They're up and running in Knoxville, Nashville, and Franklin, Tennessee, and all the surrounding areas around those cities. So if you're in that area, they're ready to go. Right now they're ready to see your family and you get 10% off if you go to Robbie, to do your signup, safer, if you're out of the area, you will get notified as soon as your area is up and running wherever you are, and get that 10% off. So sign up today, Robbie That's our OB vy We've got another anonymous nurse that I wanted to bring in to discuss how she felt things changed during COVID. And the effect that COVID Or the vaccines have had on the public at large. So thank you for joining us.

Unknown Speaker 1:31:46
Yes, thank you.

Robby Starbuck 1:31:48
I just want to go right into it, you know, how did COVID change the industry you work in as a nurse? And what did you see change most drastically?

Unknown Speaker 1:31:57
For me, it really just changed everything. I went into the pandemic with terrified and I think most people were believed all the hype, you know, I was scared for, you know, to death for six months of like, what I could bring home to my family, you know what, you know, should I even be going out seeing friends. And I mean, you know, we thought sick sick people, you know, I'm not one of those people that think this was any sort of pulps, by any means I took the precautions necessary right off the bat, then as things started to, you know, progress, and we found out, you know that it was more so, you know, affecting the elderly, or people I had comorbidities, I started to realize, you know, this isn't the national crisis or global crisis that it was being played out. And then as that started, I just started to question more like, why aren't we letting people know to? You know, like, right off the bat, you know, they're saying, isolate, you know, say by yourself for 10 days, and I mean, now looking back, it's like, that was the worst thing we could tell people like just to lay in bed and be sick. I mean, we should be getting out moving around. The reason why people got so Ill was because sure they had COVID, but then it progressed to pneumonia, and how do you get pneumonia, you get pneumonia by not using your lung capacity. So laying in bed for 10 days away from society is only going to make this problem worse, you know, in my mind

Robby Starbuck 1:33:26
that we were trying to convince people to go inside and stay inside and not go out in the sun not go get exercise. I mean, really like the things that increase your comorbidities and your chances of getting seriously sick seem like exactly what we were telling people to do. Don't exercise, you know, gyms are bad. Stay inside, stay safe, you know. And in reality, people needed exercise to eat healthy, to get out in the sun, stay active. You know, take all your vitamins, work on your immune system. I mean, I It blows my mind. Still to this day, we have never had a national conversation about how to boost your immune system throughout the entirety of this. It's crazy. You know, let me ask you this. When When COVID started, you know, and you guys are initially treating patients, how were they treating patients? And did it change at all because of political reasons.

Unknown Speaker 1:34:15
So right off the bat, I mean, I started in the very beginning of COVID, we had a COVID unit, I work in the ER so right off the bat, we started into the patients which were at that point, we didn't know this was like week one or two people were coming in with low oxygen saturation. There was nothing we could do to get them up. And my mind I feel like at that point. Sure. That's what we we thought was best for the patient. And I have no like issues with that. And then we started to learn more about the proning. So we started proning patients which had some good results. So we started to veer away from the immediate intubations and I saw that and you know, doctors that I worked with, were advocating for that the thing that I thought was weird. was we beginning of the pandemic, we were giving hydroxychloroquine. In the ER, we were told that if a patient tested positive that we were to notify pharmacy, and get the med on board as soon as possible, when that stopped is that shortly after? And then we got an email saying, you know, this isn't, doesn't have like the effects or the correct studies or, you know, so we will stop using that. And so

Robby Starbuck 1:35:27
did that. Did they stop that? After President Trump started to talk about it? Yeah, I

Unknown Speaker 1:35:32
would say, because that's when I would that like, to me, in my mind, that's when I paid attention to it. Like, it was a drug that I had never given before in the ER, so I didn't really, you know, make any note of it. And then all of a sudden you start hearing you became like a buzzword. And then, yeah, it was the stock being given.

Robby Starbuck 1:35:51
We know what's interesting is a lot of people started to demonize these drugs, whether it be ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine. And the reality is, is these have both been around for a very long time. One is the best anti parasitic in the world that's used and been used for a very long time, incredibly cheap, not something that is helpful to Big Pharma, if it does, in fact, help this. And the other hydroxychloroquine has been used forever with lupus patients, you know, I have somebody in my family who has lupus, and they've taken hydroxychloroquine. And it's something that has been a lifesaver for a ton of people. And the idea that, you know, in the medical community, I mean, this was scary in the medical community and the science community, it very quickly turned into this environment where you're not allowed to ask questions, and you're not allowed to do what science and medicine are supposed to do. And that's to try to find solutions. Yeah, suddenly, this new environment where, hey, you're only allowed to find solutions that are in this very narrow lane. If you look outside of this lane, you're not only a science denier, but we're going to try to strip you of your license, which is, by the way, the reason why I have anonymous doctors, anonymous, nurses, anonymous, you know, people in this industry coming forward and speaking under that anonymity, is because they're afraid of losing their license. It's not because they're afraid to tell the truth with their face on camera, it's because they've been threatened and coerced into this idea that, hey, we're going to steal your livelihood, if you don't stick into this narrow framework that you've been given a is that a pretty accurate description of how the people in the medical community who are not going along with this spiel?

Unknown Speaker 1:37:26
Oh, 100%. I mean, like, it's becoming a little more now that things have been coming out. But for the past year, I just feel like I've had to live under a rock and I can't questioning of this era. And there's like, no thought process outside of this algorithm. And the algorithm wasn't working for so long. So why did we stick with and only this? Well, let

Robby Starbuck 1:37:48
me ask you a question. Once the vaccine was introduced, and it started to become, you know, the norm in terms of, you know, in a lot of ways they treated it like a treatment, which it's not supposed to be, but that's how it was treated is if it was a therapeutic, you know, how did you see things change? What what what became, you know, really noticeable in terms of vaccinated patients versus unvaccinated patients? And how has that changed over time? What does that look like today? Where I work?

Unknown Speaker 1:38:16
They didn't they didn't make it mandatory at first. And at that point, I was still, you know, like, Okay, I see COVID patients every day, I have, you know, high risk family members. And I took it willingly, I didn't, I wasn't coerced out, I didn't feel threat, you know, and they said, you know, we will never mandate something that is not FDA approved. And then very quickly, it became, you need to be vaccinated. And if not, you have to have a, an exemption. So either religious or medical, and I had coworkers that had horrible reactions to other vaccines and had notes from their doctor that said, you know, they will not be they cannot get this vaccine. And they basically came back and said, like, you need to have, you need to prove that you're gonna have an anaphylactic reaction to the COVID vaccine in order for this medical exemption to stand. And so either they were fired or they quit. So the religious exemption that got even crazier, once the newest vaccine came out that claimed that they didn't use like the fetal cell derivative than they that they excute like they recanted those exemptions and said, like, you have to re submit your exemption. And so a bunch of people I worked with, had to resubmit the religious exemption, some of them were approved, and some more are denied. And there was no rhyme or reason. And it was just that in itself was add, as far as patients, you know, in the beginning, we're trying to encourage virus people to get vaccinated, but then as the push came out, I mean, it just became so crazy. Like it was, you know, I'd hear doctors talk that oh, well, they don't you know, they didn't get back Because the evil Fauci and then they would laugh, and it was just like, it just became this mentality of the vaccinated versus unvaccinated. And it just made medicine really ugly, really, really ugly.

Robby Starbuck 1:40:12
Yeah. It turned it political. I mean, it really, yeah, was one of those things I remember during this, this whole thing as it was, like really heating up. I remember, you know, hearing from some families who were concerned because they had an unvaccinated family member who was essentially just being shamed in the hospital. And they were like, how can we be confident that they're going to get care that they want them to live, when they're so dedicated to the narrative that the unvaccinated are just, you know, at this high, you know, sort of likelihood of death. And if that is the prevailing idea that a doctor has, I mean, I didn't know what to tell them. Because honestly, I don't know how you could be confident when you have a doctor who essentially has the mindset that, you know, number one, you're stupid or ignorant. And number two, that, you know, you're much more likely to die than a vaccinated person, which is turned out to you know, now today, we see statistics from all over the world, that's not the case. Now, we're seeing vaccinated people dying at a higher clip than unvaccinated people all over in different places in the world. And we also are seeing that the more vaccines that you got, the more likely that you get the current iteration of COVID. And that's something that again, the we're not having a national conversation about, and we're avoiding the subject in terms of you know, all these excess deaths, and you know, the realities of what's going on. So what do you see on the ground in the hospital? Are you seeing a difference in vaccinated versus unvaccinated patients who come in? And are you seeing vaccine injuries?

Unknown Speaker 1:41:48
Now I feel like that it's changing because people are coming out and talking and things are showing up, then I don't feel like it's being pushed as much. I don't feel like like, you know, the very first question out of everybody's mouth is like, Well, are you vaccinated, however, we are seeing injuries, I've seen Ganbare, which is a neurological disorder that progressively paralyzes somebody. And again, I can't attribute this to one thing, but I've been there for, you know, almost 10 years, and the amount of strokes in young people has increased. I've seen directly related to multiple boosters, young people collapsing and going into weird heart rhythms. That should not be an issue, you know, in your late 20s, and 30s. I've seen myocarditis, it's definitely taking a toll.

Robby Starbuck 1:42:38
Yeah. I mean, that's been sort of the tough thing is that at the beginning, I feel like a lot of people who did get injured, and this is the crazy part to me, a lot of people who got vaccinated, were very pro vaccine, you know, we're excited to get this and felt like it was going to be the best line of defense, and so on and so forth. So these are not anti vaxxers. These are not people who hated the vaccine. And these people now today, when they come out and say they're injured, and this I'm talking about it sort of the beginning more so than right this second, but at the beginning and in sort of middle of this, if they came out and said they were injured they were treated like lepers I mean immediate at treated them like they were hypochondriacs and that they're lying about it. And you know, every everybody in the medical community just shunned and ignored it, they didn't even want to report it to veers. And that's the thing. I tell people, I don't trust the various data. And the reason I don't trust it is because I know that in the medical community, it is frowned upon to even make a report in the various system. Because there's a fear that if you do too many of these, that it could reflect poorly on you and make it look like you're a problem and like you're trying to create an issue, you know, yeah, so I don't trust those numbers. And basically, everybody I know, in the medical community has affirmed that yeah, you're right not to trust them, when you look at them, you should probably be putting a multiplier by it, you know, at least by a factor of six or seven, maybe more, because of the amount who just will not report this stuff. And unfortunately, a lot of families do not push either and demand that it be, you know, done. Because, again, you know, I think there's sort of this culture of fear around having the conversation. And that's something that media and I will say the CDC has done a very good job of creating, they've created that culture of fear. And I think it's incredibly unhealthy and something that does not produce good medicine. Because, you know, if we're having a really nuanced, honest conversation, that should include the fact that number one, nobody can say with authority that there can never be a good vaccine. Okay, that's just, you know, that in itself is saying that, you know, you're confining science to a reality that is just not wise. I mean, the possibilities are endless when it comes to any of these things. And I think that, you know, too much has been locked into a narrative that has been unhealthy. I do want to ask you something that has been kind of close to my heart, and that's that, you know, there was this culture built of separate impatience from family. What did you see in that regard? Where were things sort of change, because, again, I think there's actually a health component to this where having family and loved ones close to a patient, when they're recovering, actually builds up their morale and makes them, you know, I feel like fight harder. I know that, you know, when there's something on the line where your family is involved, people tend to fight harder. And when you're separated from them, and you feel alone, the feelings even just mental health wise, drain you into a place where you're less able to fight. So what did you see in that regard from patients?

Unknown Speaker 1:45:33
That probably is the hardest thing I had to deal with? I mean, I'm just a proponent in general, and like, regular medicine, everyday pre pandemic, post pandemic, whatever, like have family at your bedside? Rick accoding, a patient, you know, I'm always the one, you know, one of like, get, let's get family back here. Let's let them you know, see, like how we're working hard. We're working on their loved one. Or if you know, they've been in a traumatic accident, and let's just get them bedside. And we were just hanging. We couldn't we couldn't get people back to be with their loved ones. It was awful. Sorry.

Robby Starbuck 1:46:10
No, I mean, I think don't apologize for being human. Your reaction is exactly the reaction is why I said this, this question specifically is close to my heart. Because the idea that anybody has the right to tear you apart from your family member, especially as they may be dying, is one of the most evil vile, disgusting things I could imagine. And, yeah, I'll never forgive the people who perpetuated that on us. I mean, they can apologize, they never will. But they could try apologizing all day long. It's one of the things that I deem unforgivable and irredeemable, out of this whole situation is that, that that very declaration was the definition of authoritarian it was the definition of tyranny is the definition of what our founders fought against when they created this country. Because we have a right to life, liberty, and, you know, life in itself. That includes our family and our ability to be close to our family. And that's, that's something we can never we can never give up. And that was really scary throughout COVID that so many people were forced into this. And still today, I knew of hospitals today who are still doing assisted. Do you know of any who are still doing this today?

Unknown Speaker 1:47:27
Our policy changes. So often, I think most recently, they can now have like one visitor overnight, but that and that's pretty recent. I mean, within the last like three months, I would say if your loved one wasn't like an on a regular floor, like not an ICU, you couldn't stay overnight with them. And even when it was going on, they our hospital had a policy that said like if they were going to die, you could have I think, five family members. So you know, what, if you have four kids and your wife for you know, like, how do you choose five people to come and say goodbye to you. It's just it was the most like dehumanizing process.

Robby Starbuck 1:48:07
Yeah, I'm honestly, I'm just sorry that so many people who disagreed with it had to be a part of it. I know, some nurses, you know, they were sneaking family members in. And that's something that they still can't talk about today. But they were it was like an underground system of sneaking family members in because they disagreed so wholeheartedly with this. And, you know, God bless him for doing that. But it was I mean, just incredibly, incredibly difficult time. I do want to ask you, you know, one of my big concerns with it was medical medical neglect. And here's why. Because in my view, and you can tell me if I'm wrong, in my view, my life experience. One of the best things for anybody who is in a really terrible state when it comes to medicine, if they're really sick, is your family members being your advocates, when your family members can't see you? And they don't know your actual condition? How are you supposed to advocate for somebody? And not only that, how can you trust they're getting the care that you've been told they're getting? Because we know of many cases? I mean, you look at just medical malpractice cases is great of a job as many people do, especially nurses, medical malpractice happens on a regular basis in America. It's one of the leading causes of death in America. And so how can you trust or be that you know, sort of advocate for your loved one, if you're not allowed in the room and you're not allowed to see them or talk to them? I mean, that just that makes no sense to me. So do you believe that this contributed to massive medical neglect? And what do you think the long term effect of that is in your profession? Oh, 100%

Unknown Speaker 1:49:37
I mean, family members. I mean, they know their loved one bets, you know, sure, a nurse can spend 12 hours, you know, each shift or, you know, couple days in a row 12 hours, and you know, it can pick up on a lot, but there's been times where, you know, if the pay, especially if the patient's intubated, you know, the family member might know a drug allergy that is not in the tree. Heart Church or just a reaction in general that they've had to a medication, prior mental status change, you know this, you know, what if I'm coming in at night, and they've been fine all day, and I can report like, yeah, they're alert and oriented times four, and you know, all of a sudden, now things have gone sideways, like, is this baseline? Do they get a little kooky at night, which sometimes happens? And, you know, does the family member know that? Or is, you know, something acutely wrong with that I rely on family for a ton of stuff. And, you know, you get patients who who are verbal, even, I had one, you know, they were the only ones that could tell us that the patient was seizing, because it was just such a minor thing. And, and so we would have never known the patient was seizing and needed, you know, suctioning, like, it's things like that, that I just can't understand why we wouldn't want family at the bedside.

Robby Starbuck 1:50:52
It just it makes no logical sense. I mean, what would you say was the hardest for you personally, throughout all this, having to deal with it and do your job and stay? You know, I mean, that's the other thing is, I'm sure so many of these things made you emotional, but you had to hold it together? Because you're at work, you know, and how did you deal with that? What was the most difficult part for you?

Unknown Speaker 1:51:11
It's definitely at the separation of family. Like, we were able to get people back for us down in, like the ER, but like, what happened when they left like we had no control over? So fighting tooth and nail with other co workers and just like trying to scream at them? Like, can we have some common sense? Can we think outside what were told, you know, was probably the most frustrating. And then when things just got so political, and it was like, politics has no place on medicine, whatever your stance is, like it should be what is best for the patient? I don't care what your political answer is.

Robby Starbuck 1:51:47
Absolutely. I mean, I hope people take that to heart. That's something I've really tried to stress throughout all of these interviews with with Anonymous medical professionals is that this shouldn't be about politics, it's actually really disgusting that it has become about politics. Unfortunately, yes, one sides, politicians more than the other side had been perpetuating this. But in terms of common sense, if we don't get back to a world where common sense by and large across all parties includes the fact that people are entitled to be with their family members, when they're, you know, in this sort of place where they're in the hospital, and that you don't have a right to force inject people or you don't have a right to discriminate against people based on their their vaccination status things along these lines, if we can get to that place, I think we're headed down a very dangerous path. And I think that that may end up being the most dangerous thing about COVID is the psychological effects and the societal effects and how divided it made people, not so much the virus, you know, and I think that a lot of people I trust in the medical community really feel like that has become the true pandemic is is how its divided society and how it has changed the mental health really, frankly, of the world. Because this has changed so many things, you look at the effect on children when it comes to education, and school. And you look at the effect this has had just on people and relationships and family members, I mean, people won't even have Thanksgiving dinner with family members now, because of things that they disagreed on throughout COVID. And once you dig in on one side, or the other of this, you know, it's really hard to bring people to a place where they go, Okay, I'm willing to, you know, kind of come to this middle part where we have common sense and see each other's point of view. Now see, there's certain things you can come to a point of view on I can understand somebody's point of view when it comes to dividing people from their family members, like there's certain things that are just human rights abuses, in my opinion, that's one of them. Last question for you. If you were to create a law that were to prevent everything that has gone awry during this, what would it look like for you as a medical professional, like what needs to change in the law to prevent these abuses that we saw throughout COVID? In the failures we saw throughout COVID?

Unknown Speaker 1:53:59
First and foremost, that patients always always have the right to have a loved one at their bedside. I just can't imagine being in a hospital by yourself with no no advocate, no support system. And I think that's just like my biggest takeaway from this.

Robby Starbuck 1:54:19
And it's a it's I mean, it's such common sense. This just, it's still heartbreaking today, because so many people lost their loved ones and never got to say goodbye. And I don't think we can ever forgive that. I think we can fix it in terms of the law in the future. But we can never fix it for those families. They lost the one and only chance they had you know, and I'm sure you know, they tried to move on and other ways and grieve and other ways, but nobody can ever give them that moment back. You know, and we've got to fix it. There's there's just no, there's no other way to say it. I mean, we've got to fix it and make sure this never happens again. Thank you so much for using your voice and for speaking with me. I hope the granting and remedied all the people that we did will actually help people understand the raw truth of what happened during during COVID. Because I think sometimes when you have to worry about your license and other things, people will gloss over details and maybe not get as raw and real about what happened. And so I thank you so much for for your time and for, you know, telling us the truth about what happened throughout COVID.

Unknown Speaker 1:55:20
Yeah, thank you.

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